Friday, April 29, 2005

Islam and Music?

Hey everyone,

One of the most often debated issues is music and Islam. There are like so many opinions as to what is permissible and what isn't. A Sunni will tell you one thing, and a Sufi will tell you another. A Muslim in the UK will tell you one thing, a Muslim in Bangladesh will tell you one. There are black Muslims who sing rap Islamic songs, and there those in the Eastern world who shun music of all kinds. It is no doubt a debatable issue.

I think for me, music is allowed, as long as it is within boundaries. There are two things that you cannot let happen with music. It should not distract you enough to keep you away from your prayers and your focus on God, and secondly, it should not contain lyrics that can contribute to a person's nature to be corrupt. I mean, I do not listen to music which glorifies sex and eroticism. I do not listen to rappers who talk about girls in a very degrading manner. They talk about girls as if they are objects created purely for men's desire. I hate those kind of songs. Then, I don't listen to those songs that can make you go into a trance. I remember watching a TV programme one time on Sufism, and the music and the chanting was so effective, that I almost literally went into a trance. So, I mean, everyone knows their boundaries and limits, and so everyone can be their own judge as to what they can and what they cannot listen. I basically don't listen to music that go against my principles of what's right and what's wrong. What may be unacceptable to me, may very well be acceptable to someone else, so my theory may not apply to you.

I am going to give you three examples. One is a Pakistani singer, Junaid Jamshed, who made pop music very popular in the early 90s. His one song, Dil Dil Pakistan has reached to such popular heights people sing it like it is the national anthem. He made a lot of music, and in the latte part of the 90s, when he split up with his group, he became extremely popular by going solo. Somewhere along the road, he found Islam, and thus started to keep a beard and wear trousers above his ankles. He continued to sing songs, love songs, on TV and stages whilst he had a huge beard. He claimed that he does not approve of music, and he was only singing now because he had a contract to fulfill. Yeah, like you uphold the contract higher than the Islamic ruling.

The other person, Cat Stevens (now Yusuf Islam), has shunned his life of a rock star when he became a Muslim. He went low for a while, and then re-emerged singing and making new music. In fact, the above website claims that his new song "holds the promise of a fantastic return to secular music." I had a chance to observe him talk one time when he came to my university campus. Half way through, he started singing some of his own songs, which he had produced when he was a Christian. Some of the more Islamic students actually got up and left the hall. They were offended. But Cat Stevens sang his songs, and even produces music. In fact, there are two songs that I have of him on my iPod: Mother Father Brother Sister and I Have No Cannons That Roar. They are amazing songs.

I am sure you all must have heard of Sami Yusuf as well. His song on the Prophet (pbuh) is extremely popular. In fact, the owner of the internet cafe from where I am typing this plays it all the time. Yusuf is another example of a Muslim, making songs with music. I remember when I was at the gym in Jeddah, and Sami Yusuf's song was playing on the TV. One of the guy there got really offended and actually left the room. He claimed that it was wrong for a Muslim to sing about the Prophet (pbuh) in like a proper song format with music and all. I was like, "well, if it is music that is not corrupting you in your nature, and is actually encouraging you to be more Islamic, what's wrong with that?" His reply: "it's music and its haraam!"

From Ahmed's article on the emergence of an Arabic pop video involving a Muslim girl, in a hijab, dancing along with the male singer in the video, got me extremely curious. What the girl's doing, is it right? Is it Islamic for her to be covered up and be involved in a video? Does this mean that there will be more pop videos with girls in hijab? Does this mean it would be easier for those girls in hijab to appear in videos? If she is wrong, how could the video be aired on all the Arabic music channels? I am not sure what the answer is, but I would love to know what it is!

Maybe you all can help me out!

Mansur

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hey guys,

I think I need someone to help me out with this issue too..."Is Music really Forbidden in Islam?" I totally agree with Mansur's way of thinking about music and what he feels is alright to listen to.

z

Anonymous said...

Hey guys,

I think I need someone to help me out with this issue too..."Is Music really Forbidden in Islam?" I totally agree with Mansur's way of thinking about music and what he feels is alright to listen to.

z

Mansour said...

Hey puss in boots,

I have left some comments for you...mind you, some of them are anonymous...when I am in a hurry, I leave anonymous comments!

I apprciate your thoughts on the music. Music is everywhere...so it cannot be outlawed. I agree with you that music that promotes drugs and raping are the ones we need to avoid. It's hilarious what you saw at the party. You see that here as well. I was seeing the television broadcast of a concert here in Dubai, and I could see women in abayas and scarves, tightly wrapped around their heads doing all these disco moves and dancing, and they were on tv! Sometimes, I think these girls wear it because of cultural reasons.

I will comment more on your articles....!

Mansur

MASS said...

Asalamu aleykum

you know guys before i was concerned with deen heavily i use to play guitar and had my band

i use to perform infront of others had the whole rock/metal star experience

and when i started following deen more, my guitar was the last thing i left, and it was so hard for me, yet i eman started pouring in my heart like never before, at these times

Music is definatly harram there is no doubt about that, and there is a Ijma3 amoung the previous scholars

Imam Ahmad ibn Hannbal was asked about it and he said it plants nifaaq in the heart

Imam Malik was asked and he said only the fusaq we know engage in it

قال الله تعالى في سورة لقمان : " ومن الناس من يشتري لهو الحديث ليضل عن سبيل الله " ، قال حبر الأمة ابن عباس رضي الله عنهما : هو الغناء

here is a link to clear things up
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=5000&dgn=4&ln=eng

and here is an audio lecture i just love about this topic
and it always helped me in avioding Music

http://www.islamway.com/?iw_s=Lesson&iw_a=view&lesson_id=22680

plzz plzzz plzzz listen to it
all of you folk and especially Puss
since you have a really kewl mum that I like for the sake of Allah LOL

Mansour said...

Hi q8iblogger,

so if music is haram, then how come Yusuf Islam is stil producing music? So Yusuf Islam is wrong and is sinning? What about Sami Yusuf? Is he doing wrong things as well? I think what you mean to say is that certain kinds os music is haraam, and I agree with you on that.

How did the people of Yathrib welcome the Prophet (pbuh)? With music, by beating on the drums! That's music! Was that haraam? Yusuf Islam, Sami Yusuf and countless others practice Islam seriously, yet still sing and create music. However, they sing and produce music that encourages one's faith. I think that's the best approach.

I don't want to sound personal, but I certainly have issues when someone tells me that music is haraam. My God, even Saudi tv plays music every time they show the king meeting other people! Is that haraam too?

Expand your horizons, and realize not everything is bad for us. I can imagine what these scholars must be feeling in their hearts if they feel that music is haraam. They are weak in their faith, so much so, they feel they can be distracted by plain music! I think these scholars represent the extreme viewpoints. I can find you scholars who would refute your arguments, but that is not the point here.

I think, in conclusion, what may work for one, may not work for another. So, each person is their own best judge. An imam may be heavily tempted by listening to Sami Yusuf, while someone else may be heavily encouraged to be more focused on his faith in Islam. If we start presenting direct, clear cut rules on debatable issues, we will end up like the Talibans, and we all know in our hearts, even though we may not say it out loud, that their idea of Islam was overly-extremist!

I write this out of love and not out of hatred. Q8Iblogger, please don't take this personally. I value your opinions, and I am entering into a healthy debate with this issue.

Mansur

Mansour said...

Puss in Boots,

I hope you don't take it personally what q8iblogger told you specifically to listen to this link. I agree more with your interpretation of how Islam should deal with music!

Mansur

Anonymous said...

Mansur, check out these links which talks about Islam not forbidding music outright. I suspect q8iblogger is a from the Salafi group, which supports this extreme view!

http://www.tijaniyya.com/music.htm

http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/197603/the.world.of.islam-its.music.htm

http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_151_200/music_and_islam.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/music_yes.htm

Hope this helps you Mansur....

I have one question for you. Why is Music such a debatable issue anyways? If the Quran presents solutions for everything for Mankind, why was the issue not dealt with? Why do we have such differing views on Music?

Your friend from Uni

MASS said...

i cant discuss this now maybe in a onth when i am more free

since yr not an alim
dont issue verdicts with no daleel

and yes the people you mentioned like sami yusuf are not only sinners but fusaq

i know yusuf islam stopped using instruments alhamdullelah

we dont test verdicts by the actions of people, rather we test people by verdicts of deen

as long as there is no instruments and the lyrics are not prophane or encourage harram its ok

and people who listen to music only follow their desire and they fall short in many aspects of deen and not just listing to music

Anonymous said...

although I listen to music sometimes ,I completely agree with what q8ibloger said about music ...there are a clear 7adeath from propht mohammad peace be upon him about that and i will bring it later

Mansour said...

Hi,

So that is exactly what I am saying...as long as the music is within limits, then it is ok. So, you also agree with that. I am not advocating music which promotes violence, sex, drugs, glorification of women or anything like that. In fact I am against that kind of music. I don't listen to Britney, Jennifer, Eminem and so on. I am sure some people fall into sinning when they hear provocative music. But there are some stronger people out there, who are strong in faith, who are not swayed by the music at all.

What about Classical music? Is that completely haraam too? What about the music that Channel 2 plays on some of its program? Am I sinning when I listen to that?

I think it is premature for you to say to me what you did. In fact, it would be completely wrong of anyone to presume I am something which I may not be.

You are welcome to bring in any arguments. I am open to hear to all sides of the arguments, but I think there should be no accusations. Just because I may not agree with what you have to say doesn't mean I am a worse off Muslim than you are.

Please check out Yusuf Islam's website which I mentioned. He has NOT stopped using musical instruments. Have you not seen his new video with Ronan Keating Father and Son? It was airing on MTV and Channel V. He is producing new music. His new song, critics claim, is his best return to
"secular music!"

I am not issuing verdicts. I am simply coming up with what's right and wrong. Since the Quran doesn't have a direct ruling against music, we are forced to rely on music...and I look towards the Quran for guidance, not scholars!


q8i, can I ask you if you belong to the Salafi group? I have a cousin who is a Salafi, and his views are similar to yours.

For the sake of other readers, can you translate the following words please: alim, deen, fusaq, daleel. Thanks.

Mansur

Mansour said...

IMPORTANT MESSAGE:

Hi guys,

This topic of Music and Islam, is a debatable issue. We will hear a different argument from everyone of us. I know I can tell you, my friends in the US will tell me something different than my cousin who lives in Saudi. Music is not an issue like Drinking, Gambling or PreMarital Sex is, which is clearly outlawed in the Quran.

There is no clear cut answers in the Quran, but different interpretation of hadiths.

I want to give each one of you all one opportunity to present your argument. That way, we all can get to listen to the different arguments, and make our own mind up.

Then this sensitive topic will be closed. I am sorry it has to be this way, but I am little fearful that accusations will start taking place and I don't want that to happen on my blog. There are other site forums to have these kinds of discussions.

Thank you for understanding.

Mansur

MASS said...

i didnt read every thing

but its in the quran too

beat that:P

and im not in saudi by the way

Mansour said...

I know you are not a saudi, you are kuwaiti. What else would q8i stand for? I checked out your blog.

If it is in the Quran, a direct ruling against prohibition of music, please let me know the sura and the verse it is in. Also, please let me know what translaton it is and who the translator is. I can read the Quran in Arabic, but I don't understand it, so I rely on the translations.

Thanks.

Mansur

Mansour said...

Correspondence on this subject is closed. Thanks to all those who contributed.

Mansur

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